By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent BosNewsLife reporting from Budapest
BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (BosNewsLife)– A Budapest court is to rule next month in a case of a Nazi-concentration camp survivor who claims Nobel Peace Prize winning author and human rights activist Elie Wiesel “lies” about his Holocaust past, BosNewsLife learned Friday, January 27.
After decades of research, Nikolaus (Miklós) Grüner had his first-ever opportunity to make his case this week in a libel lawsuit against a Hungarian rabbi who helped organize Wiesel’s “homecoming” visit to Hungary in 2009.
Grüner said Rabbi Slomó Köves invited the author to Hungary while “knowing that this man is not a genuine Holocaust survivor.”
He told the Metropolitan Court Budapest that Wiesel stole the identity of his friend and fellow concentration camp inmate Lázár Wiesel, who helped him survive the horrors of the Auschwitz-Birkenau and satellite camps in Nazi-occupied Poland and in Buchenwald camp, in Germany.
The first names “Elie” and “Lázár” are similar to the Hebrew name, Eleazar. Grüner, who lost his parents and a brother in Auschwitz-Birkenau, suggested that Wiesel has committed deception by pretending to be his friend and former fellow prisoner.
Wiesel allegedly also stole the manuscript of his friend for his famous book ‘Night’.
“FALSIFYING HISTORY”
The Hungarian-born Grüner, who holds an Australian passport, is angry that the rabbi accused him of “falsifying history”, comparing him to American academic and author Norman Finkelstein.
In his controversial book ‘The Holocaust Industry’ Finkelstein says Jewish leaders are fueling Europe’s antisemitism by trying to force German and Swiss banks to pay new compensation to those suffering under the Nazis during World War Two. Finkelstein was denied entry into Israel over the controversy.
Additionally, the rabbi described the 83-year-old Grüner as “an elderly man with some kind of complex”.
Grüner told BosNewsLife Friday, January 27, that he wants the court to force the rabbi to take back his words. “He should tell who Wiesel really is. He basically called me a liar. As a rabbi he should know better. I have been working 26 years on this case.”
During the January 24 hearing, Köves’ lawyer played down his client’s public remarks, saying he had not used the term liar. The lawyer, Nyizsnyovszki Alexandr, added that Wiesel’s background was never questioned internationally, including by the United States, where he now lives.
STOLEN IDENTITY?
“How can you steal someones identity?”, wondered the rabbi in separate remarks to BosNewsLife, adding that Wiesel received the Nobel Prize for his work, “not for who he was or where he was born.”
He stressed however that he sympathizes with the “horrible suffering” of Grüner, who lost his parents and a brother in Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Grüner said Köves’ statements undermine his efforts to launch legal action against Wiesel as early as the end of next month. “I will fly to Los Angeles and speak with the lawyer representing Holocaust survivors. I want Wiesel to show who he really is. There were only two ways to leave a concentration camp. Either via the chimneys or through the gates,” he explained.
“There are no records that Wiesel was in a concentration camp. In my opinion he isn’t even Jewish and doesn’t speak Hungarian. If American authorities want, he should be extradited to Hungary.”
Köves, who declined to attend this week’s hearing in person, told BosNewsLife that he had heard Wiesel speak Hungarian, for instance during a speech in parliament. Additionally, Wiesel told BosNewsLife in 2009 that he saw Hungary also as the country where he was born, but expressed concerns about growing extremism here.
HUNGARIAN VILLAGE
He has said he was born in Máramarossziget or Sighetu Marmatiei in Romanian, which was briefly returned to Hungary during World War Two.
Grüner began his research after a Swedish paper arranged a meeting between him end Elie Wiesel in 1986. “I thought I would meet my friend, but I didn’t recognize this man,” said Grüner who now lives in Sweden.
Photo’s and film footage have emerged on the Internet showing a man resembling Elie Wiesel in short sleeves without a visible tattoo. But Wiesel claims he still carries the number on his arm.
“I don’t need that to remember, I think about my past every day,” he told American students last year when asked about the tattoo. “I still have it on my arm – A-7713. At that time, we were numbers. No names, no identity,” he added.
Grüner contest this in his book ‘Stolen Identity, A-7713’. He told BosNewsLife that he realized far right groups may misuse his research, but added that he wants to ensure that generations hear the truth.
MILLIONS PERISHED
“I don’t mind that Wiesel earns 25,000 dollars” for a 45 minute speech. “But I don’t want him to make money on the deaths of my family members and the millions of others who perished in the Holocaust,” he said earlier. BosNewsLife was not able to varify the mentioned payments.
Hungarian Judge Árpád Pataki said he would not rule on Wiesel’s background but only on the allegations against the rabbi. A ruling was due February 6. Grüner told BosNewsLife he fears “a negative ruling” but pledged to appeal.
The case comes at a sensitive time for Hungary, which has just begun observing the Raoul Wallenberg Year, to commemorate the centenary of the Swedish diplomat who saved tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews during World War Two. He later died in Soviet captivity.
At least 600,000 Hungarian Jews died during the war when Hungary, for the most part, was a close ally of Nazi-Germany.
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Mr. Grüner has the support of the people who want to know the truth behind who Eli Wiesel really is!
Good luck to you Nikolaus (Miklós) Grüner – may truth and justice prevail for you.
(The court case has also led to extreme reactions. Gruner has told BosNewsLife that he realizes the far right may misuse the case. Below an example of the comment BosNewsLife received. We strongly disagree with the comment below.)
“Gruner is a dopey Holohoaxer jealous of the best Holohoaxer of them all, his fellow Buchenwald classmate, Wiesel.”
(The court case has also led to extreme reactions. BosNewsLife does NOT agree with these comments, but publishes at least some of them to reflect the difficulties surrounding this issue).
> “I will never know,” he says. “I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”
10,000 each day in Buchenwald, Mr Wiesel?
> Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate — healthy, virile hate — for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead.
Can a person who preaches ethernal hate receive the Nobel prize? YES, HE CAN!
(BosNewsLife does NOT agree with the comment below, based on numerous historic records, but posted the comment as part of a freedom of expression debate).
Stop the Holocaust b.s. I am sorry for the christians in Europe during world war II, there was a lot of killing done by England, US, Vatican and rest of the thugs in the governments of the world, Germans were the victims and Hitler was the fabrication of the thugs so that the “jews” could have the State of Israel to finnish and make the Holocaust of the Palestinians.
Mr. Wiesel, you are a real WIESEL!
Elie Wiesel is a weasel of the Holow Cost
http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/
(BosNewsLife does NOT agree with the perceived anti-Semitic elements found in some parts of the comment below, which was published under the freedom of expression venue the news agency likes to offer).
The one thing that i remember the most clearly over the past 39-40 years of my school days at Brandeis University in1970’s are my student adviser’s words that when he was growing up that his grand parents and parents used the term “‘goyishe kup,’” meaning that the “Non-Jews are Stupid”
Later in life I learned that the exact translation of “GOYISHE KUP” means that the “Cattle are STUPID”..
I remember him recalling whatt his father told him when he was growing up in Eastern Europe. One of them being that when his father was in high school he and a group of friends would skip school early on Fridays and go over to his friend’s father’s butcher shop. That they would buy at cost any cows , that had not been butchered by the end of the day on Friday before the begining of shabat . They would take the cow home and wash it and then the boys would procede to “beat the udders of the cows so that they would swell up and turn pink” so as to sell them to the “GOYISHE KUP” as milk producing cows.
The part that I remember him asking me if the East Europeans are so naive, so gullible and so stupid to buy old “non milk producing cows” from a bunch of young Jewish Boys.
So thinking of it now I agree with the Jewish saying that the “GOYISHE KUP” are indeed” Stupid” as they believe that a Bunch of Arab Muslim Kids who were not able to Fly a Cessna Airplane took it upon themselves to FLY a Boing Jumbo Jet outwitting the US Military and Civilian authorities. The “Jewish Lightning Insurance Scam” of the 1960’s is still alive and well has been put to good use by Larry Silverstein with the help of his sayanim jews made a financial killing in imploding wtc by putting 15 million down and comming out with 7 billion dollars for buidings that no one wanted to buy because it would have cost a billion dollars to remove the asbestos from. Then on top of that the people in America actually believe that they actually decide who is elected President or for that that actual VOTE is really counted and makes a difference in deciding who represents them in the White House and congress. http://www.bollyn.com/index.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso http://www.911missinglinks.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeggPSL3gQs
Yeh I agree that the AmericanNon-Jews are indeed American “GOYISHE KUP” or “STUPID CATTLE”!
The Israeli Defense Firm That Tallies The Iowa Caucus
By Christopher Bollyn
1-1-8
The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the nation’s attention will be directed to the results, which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of the Iowa caucus?
The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a company that is headed by a man whose company was bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm. I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don’t expect to see any grassroots political activists doing the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American “democratic” election process.
VOXEO
In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus results.
The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history
(BosNewsLife strongly disagrees with the comment below on the Holohoax scam, based on numerous records and overwhelming evidence).
I think is might be possible for people like Grüner to believe there was actually a systematic killing of Jews and that he was lucky to escape with his life. He very likely has family members who died in WW2 due to starvation and/or lack of medical due to the allied bombings but probably attributes the deaths to the evil German killing machine.
I think it is possible that Jewish prisoners held in concentration camps are victims of the holohoax scam as well. If Grüner is not a victim of the lies than he is as big a liar as Wiesel.
put this imposter in jail where he belongs.. why can’t he speak Hungarian ? I was 4 when we left Hungary and i still speak the mother tongue.. I hope Mr. Gruner WINS WINS and another hopless wannabe will be casted out of the limelight on someone’s death and suffering. I’m susre there’s thousands who died and others took thier indentiy for better or for worse.
Sure, and Israel has been wanting to bomb Iran for the last 2 decades.
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/p0wxy/strike_urged_against_iran_nuclear_program_june_15/
(The following comment publishes BosNewsLife, however the court has NOT yet ruled on Wiesel. Anyone is innocent till the opposite is proven).
For years Mr Wiesel pretended, nay swore, he had a tattoo on his forearm from the
concentration camp where he was interned. Videos and photos always showed him hiding his forearm with an overcoat or other clothing. But now the world has seen his naked forearm WITHOUT ANY TATTOO in a photograph, so he is a fraud and a liar and everything else he has said has been a lie. Is lying about the holocaust any different from denial of the holocaust for which people are imprisoned in Europe? Why isn’t he in prison? This Talmudist criminal is beneath contempt.
(BosNewsLife STRONGLY disagrees with the Holohoax, but publishes below comment for freedom of expression reasons).
Wiesel is a lying weasel, and the Holohoax stinks worse every year.
(BosNewsLife strongly disagrees with the “Jewish paranoid” aspect of the comment below, citing the 6 million Jews that are known to have perished in the Holocaust).
All I Know is in this world after WW2 everything is about the Jew & the Holocaust, NEVER is anything said about all the other Christians that lost their lives or the brutal Bolsheviks, Stalinist & Leninist that where made of a lot of American left wing Jews sent to Russia to install communism that murdered more people then any German Holocaust….but, these paranoid Jews, are so self serving & pursue this Poor Victimized Jew thing, way too long now. Meddling, meddling, can’t the Jews just get on with life & stop antagonizing others with something from which can’t be undone, look into the future that it no person or nation gets ethnic cleansed including the Palestinians again.
As regards my comment on January 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm, on which you say you do NOT agree, I would be interested in knowing on which exactly you do not agree.
My contribution consists of two questions on Wiesel´s tatements. One shows skepticism on the possibility that 10.000 persons a day were slaughtered in Buchenwald and another disbelief that a person that preaches eternal hate can be awarded the Nobel of Peace.
Dear amdg,
Thanks for clarifying your previous comment which, at first glance, appeared more in line with the Holocaust denial nonsense we received from other contributors to this open forum. For first of all moral, as well as legal reasons, we accompany controversial comments at times with a warning.
Best regards,
Stefan J. Bos, BosNewsLife, Budapest
(BosNewsLife strongly disagrees that there has not been a shortage of Holocaust survivors…Millions of the brightest were massacred including potential Nobel Prize winners. For freedom of expression reasons we publish below the comment, unedited).
It’s now official – there’s been no actual shortage of Holocaust Survivors :
Quote from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso in the year 2000:
‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million.’ (page 83)
I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
CODOH – Committee for Open Debate of the Holocaust – breaking the power of taboo
http://www.codoh.com/
(BosNewsLife does NOT neccesarily agree with the following comment).
Dirty Little Secrets – the hidden, awkward origins of World War 2 – the unexpected views of four key diplomats who were close to events
Just consider the following:
· Joseph P. Kennedy, U.S. Ambassador to Britain during the years immediately preceding WW2 was the father of the famous American Kennedy dynasty. James Forrestal the first US Secretary of Defense (1947-1949) quotes him as saying “Chamberlain (the British Prime Minister) stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war”. (The Forrestal Diaries ed. Millis, Cassell 1952 p129).
· Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, in a report to the Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the highly respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller. Concerning public opinion in America he says “Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish hands…when bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in Europe… It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaign… no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countries… Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps…President Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for.” (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of the Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.)
· Hugh Wilson, the American Ambassador in Berlin until 1938, the year before the war broke out, found anti-Semitism in Germany ‘understandable’. This was because before the advent of the Nazis, “the stage, the press, medicine and law [were] crowded with Jews…among the few with money to splurge, a high proportion [were] Jews…the leaders of the Bolshevist movement in Russia, a movement desperately feared in Germany, were Jews. One could feel the spreading resentment and hatred.” (Hugh Wilson: Diplomat between the Wars, Longmans 1941, quoted in Leonard Mosley, Lindbergh, Hodder 1976).
· Sir Nevile Henderson, British Ambassador in Berlin ‘said further that the hostile attitude in Great Britain was the work of Jews and enemies of the Nazis, which was what Hitler thought himself’ (Taylor, AJP: The Origins of the Second World War Penguin 1965, 1987 etc p 324).
Etc etc etc etc – more detail at http://www.rense.com/general92/dirty.htm
(As part of BosNewsLife’s policy to if possible provide a forum for free ideas, we publish the following extremist comment. It seems to us however that staying behind “to be freed” would be very uncertain in the death camp Auschwitz and that it is ofcourse crazy to suggest that someone is cooperates with the SS when working in a Nazi labor camp.)
Elie Wiesel tells us he was given the choice in January 1945 by the SS to either remain at Auschwitz to be “liberated” by the Red Army or be evacuated to another camp in the West. Wiesel claims he chose evacuation.
Question 1 for Wiesel: Why did you leave Auschwitz instead of staying behind to be freed? You would have been an an excellent position to tell the world what a terrible place Auschwitz really was.
Question 2 for Wiesel: By leaving with the SS to work in another Nazi labor camp did you not personally contribute to the German war effort which makes you a collaborator?
Question 3 for Wiesel: Why did the SS treat you for a knee injury at the Auschwitz camp hospital instead of throwing you into the gas according to the official Holocaust story? After all this was a “Death Camp” designed and operated on an industrial scale for the liquidation of Jews who were too weak to work and of no use to the Nazis?
So, how many Hungarian Jews perished in WW2? “200,000?” “300,000?” “400,000?” “410,000?” “450,000?”
Or, as the author says here in his article: “at least 600,000?”
A bit like the Soviet Union. According to Stalin (1945) 5 Million Soviet citizens lost their lives. Then, still according to Stalin (1946) “7 Million”. Later it was “discovered” that actually “10 Million”. Still “better estimates” gave the figure of “14 Million”. In the 1970s it was “more than 20 Million Soviet citizens”. Now it is either “25 Million” or “27 Million”. And somewhere I already found yet another number: “40 Million”…
Dear Abraham, whose ‘last name’ translates in ‘Non-Jew’ (DerNichtjude),
Am not sure on what you base the other figures, but at least you seem to agree with us that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were killed. I personally think that even one Jewish person killed is already too much.
Best regards,
Stefan J. Bos, BosNewsLife
IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THIS QUESTION WILL NEVER BE ANSWERED. IF THE COURT RULES ONE WAY, IT WILL BE APPEALED. IF RULED THE OPPOSITE, IT WILL BE APPEALED. THE ONLY COURT LEFT TO RULE IS THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION. IF GOOD EVIDENCE IS GIVEN
BEFORE EVERYONE DIES, THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. IF THE EVIDENCE IS CIRCUM-
STANTIAL OR HERESAY, THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. NOBODY OWNS THE TRUTH, IT
BELONGS TO ALL OF US, THE PUBLIC.
IF BY EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY, FRAUD, DECEPTION, ID THEFT IS ESTABLISHED, LET THE
LAW OF KARMA WORK AND I DON’T ;MEAN IN A PASSIVE WAY.
(BosNewsLife strongly disagrees with the following comment, which we publish unedited to underscore concerns over antisemitism and open up debate).
Dommergue: ” In fact 150,000 or 200,000 Jews died in the German camps of typhus or starvation. Many others died but as fighters against Germany to which we, the Jews, had declared war in 1933! ( Hitler was allergic to the hegemony of gold and of the dollar: so he could give work to six million unemployed, before the functioning of German armament factories!). “
Miklos Gruner is correct in saying that Elie Wiesel is an imposter and not even a Jew. Elie Wiesel speaks English with a Serbian accent. He entered France from his native Yugoslavia in 1954 and his entry card can be seen on the internet. In France he worked with the famous French author Francois Mauriac to adapt the book of Miklos Gruner’s friend, Lazar Wiesel to produce the book “Night”. Then Elie Wiesel took over the identity of Lazar Wiesel. Elie Wiesel cannot speak Hungarian, as can be seen on a video on the internet where he pretends to speak Hungarian but stumbles out a few basic words very badly.